I don't understand the hate for the Faulconer tracks. They add so much to the show. Look at the choreography in the Goku - Frieza fight. To take a simple example, between cuts to and fro the two characters in one episode, the theme played shifts based off who's in the camera, and each one becomes deeper the more the camera zooms in and as Freiza's expression sours. It's simple but it works. What did the Japanese equivalent have?

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Some whatever orchestral piece, or nothing? They're not bad but for an action show aimed at children they fail to draw me in nearly as well. I don't understand the hate for the Faulconer tracks. They add so much to the show. Look at the choreography in the Goku - Frieza fight. To take a simple example, between cuts to and fro the two characters in one episode, the theme played shifts based off who's in the camera, and each one becomes deeper the more the camera zooms in and as Freiza's expression sours. It's simple but it works.

What did the Japanese equivalent have? Some whatever orchestral piece, or nothing?

They're not bad but for an action show aimed at children they fail to draw me in nearly as well. I don't understand the hate for the Faulconer tracks.

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They add so much to the show. Look at the choreography in the Goku - Frieza fight. To take a simple example, between cuts to and fro the two characters in one episode, the theme played shifts based off who's in the camera, and each one becomes deeper the more the camera zooms in and as Freiza's expression sours. It's simple but it works. What did the Japanese equivalent have?

Some whatever orchestral piece, or nothing? They're not bad but for an action show aimed at children they fail to draw me in nearly as well. I don't think it adds anything, it's merely distracting and covering for lack of good voice acting. The original lets everything come together for scenes; the sound effects, the voice acting, and the music. Nothing completely overpowers the other, we're given a sense of levity based on what we're hearing or not hearing. You never get that in the Falconer score. The music is always there, always loud, and it always overpowers every scene its in.

Sure, there's a few moments where it actually works quite well for the scene but even a broken clock is right twice a day. It never felt part of the DNA of the series (as someone who grew up with it and loved DB/DBZ, I still did notice the music was awkward a lot of the time). I find it to be akin to how Suicide Squad felt like a mishmash of music videos made into an entire movie. The Falconer stuff feels extremely amateur because of how it's shoved into the whole series.But honestly, the Falconer soundtrack isn't even the worst part of the dub. It's the script.

It completely changes characters and context for most situations to fit a more typical 'superhero' feel.Edit. Except for the fact that every single other dub in the world did not have the Faulconer soundtrack, yet Dragon Ball Z was still a massive hit world wide.People act like the Faulconer track is somehow solely responsible for Z's success in America, yet that's not even true. The Ocean Dub had an entirely separate soundtrack, yet it was also well received.

What helped DBZ succeed was its run on Toonami at the right time.There's no reason to believe, given the success of the franchise world wide, that we needed an inaccurate dub with changed music to take off in America, as long as it ran in the right place at the right time.All the nostalgia in the world can't get me back into this music. It really doesn't fit the series 95% of the time, and it is incapable of silence for appropriate scenes.FUNimation is never going back to that company that replaces musical scores, and that's a good thing. Sadly, what remains of 4Kids will probably keep doing that to Yu-Gi-Oh! Forever.They're definitely also never going to work with Bruce Faulconer again given how that business relationship ended. I've said it before, but while I think the original JP score is well composed and catchy at many moments, it's not fitting AT ALL.

I mean, for Kami's sake, it's a show about aliens and space travel and lasers and shit. It should not sound like a the score from a 50s era Godzilla movie.And yes, I know someone's going to say 'bubububu haven't you ever seen a Sentai series?

That's what DBZ is imitating!' And while that may be true, that doesn't mean it's fitting or appropriate. The Sentai shows have pretty bad OSTs as well, imo. QUOTE='HotHamBoy, post: 4195061, member: 12642'This is wayyyy better. Especially the moment when Gohan is marching towards Cell as he disintegrates.

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The contrast there is more effective.Perfectly illustrated by the above comparison. That transition into Faulconer's Vageta theme is sloppy.Again, way more effective. And in the above Cell example there is a moment of silence right before Cell dies that is perfect./QUOTEWow I’m sorry but that does not even remotely touch the dub in my opinion. The Faulconer tracks make that so much more hype.Also to those who say the Faulconer music doesn’t fit the tone of Dragon Ball, how do you feel about FighterZ ost? One of those things that only Americans like, no wonder the original dragon ball didnt 'click' with american audiencies and that is thanks to lackluster voice acting and a lot of censorship.Dragon ball and DBZ were a success all over the world before the USA, there was no need for other OST. Its ok if someone like it, but call it 'superior' to the original one its just WRONG, the intros, the endings, genkidama theme, fighting theme are miles and miles better that anything faulconer produced (the piano vegeta theme is ok Ill give you that). One of those things that only Americans like, no wonder the original dragon ball didnt 'click' with american audiencies and that is thanks to lackluster voice acting and a lot of censorship.Dragon ball and DBZ were a success all over the world before the USA, there was no need for other OST.

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Its ok if someone like it, but call it 'superior' to the original one its just WRONG, the intros, the endings, genkidama theme, fighting theme are miles and miles better that anything faulconer produced (the piano vegeta theme is ok Ill give you that). It's just amazing to me looking back at all of these fans of the old dub. I loved it as a kid (I was there in 1999 when the FUNi dub first debuted), but after Kai.I can't go back to the old dub. The inferior acting, the script that doesn't fit the characters, and that music.At this point, I watch Z exclusively in Japanese and Kai exclusively in English. It works out for the best for me that way.

If Kai hadn't been made.I probably would have given up on dubbed DB by now. I know I was close when Kai aired.Also interesting to note that everyone who's mentioned watching the show outside of the areas the FUNi dub aired doesn't really get the appeal of the Faulconer score.

One of those things that only Americans like, no wonder the original dragon ball didnt 'click' with american audiencies and that is thanks to lackluster voice acting and a lot of censorship.Dragon ball and DBZ were a success all over the world before the USA, there was no need for other OST. Its ok if someone like it, but call it 'superior' to the original one its just WRONG, the intros, the endings, genkidama theme, fighting theme are miles and miles better that anything faulconer produced (the piano vegeta theme is ok Ill give you that).